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Animal Testing Is Good, Stupid by fenrirhound Animal Testing Is Good, Stupid by fenrirhound

For =The-Wicked-Child

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Because without animal testing this message wouldn't be here at all
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luckyCavy117 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2014
I'm uncomfortable with it, really uncomfortable, but I can't say I'm 100% against it. It really does do some good, but in my opinion, you should treat the animals as well as possible, spoil them if you can.
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epictoothpaste Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
as long as they don't treat the animals cruelly. then im OK
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner May 2, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Now that's something I can get behind
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner May 2, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
yup. Although I must say, online petitions don't really do much. 
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kat9922 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
~Ziblink  is right.
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
~Ziblink is being sarcastic. 
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kat9922 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
=fenrirhound  is lying and should look at #ANIMALLOVINGCARE 
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dietcocaine Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013   Writer
I'M JUST GOING TO TYPE A GENERIC RANDOM INSULT, INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY MAKING A VALID ARGUMENT.
You were good, kid, real good, but not good enough.
Eight ball says: TRY AGAIN.
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kat9922 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
ok thx bt no thx
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dietcocaine Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013   Writer
Come back when you can speak proper English. :I
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kat9922 Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
 ok thanks but no thanks!!
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dietcocaine Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013   Writer
Now you got it! :iconthumbsupplz:
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Respeanut Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013
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kat9922 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist

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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Look at your shitty single deviation crap sack of a group because you don't understand sarcasm? 
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Fooldom Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Medication is also the United State's 4th main cause of death in humans. Hm... I'll stick to my all natural cures, considering they typically don't harm our health.

Also, a lot of animal testing is completely pointless. Some companies test on animals whenever it isn't even required by law. ( ie: Mars Candy )

Testing animals for cosmetic items or services is all quite digusting, and just can't be justified. There are plenty of people out there who create shampoos, makeup, you name it that isn't tested on animals or made out of animals. Those kind of products are also better for you.

I find it rather weak that humans exploit living things and also eachother, but I respect your opinion.
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sulfide Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2013
"Medication is also the United State's 4th main cause of death in humans."
Medication is not the US's 4th main cause of death. Straight from the CDC: www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.… In fact, "medication" doesn't even make the cut. You might be confusing "medication" with "abuse of medicines," but even that isn't on the list.

"I'll stick to my all natural cures, considering they typically don't harm our health."
Sure they can. By not doing anything at all, the problem can become worse. I'd consider that being harmful to your health.

"Some companies test on animals whenever it isn't even required by law."
Citation needed.

"( ie: Mars Candy )"
My guess is that you just believe anything that PETA posts, or ARM, or other animal rights fanatics. You don't apply any critical thinking skills to what's been given to you. Mars Candy collaborated with Salk Institute for Biological Studies on mice to determine spatial memory and how angiogenesis affects the animals when they are given a plant-derived diet. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17… These were highly controlled experiments with a purpose. You think just because "Mars Candy" is in the headlines you're reading about a candy company stuffing chocolate down a dogs' throat to see how they will react? For gods' sake, use some logic.

"Testing animals for cosmetic items or services is all quite digusting.."
Yes, this we can at least agree on.

"Those kind of products are also better for you."
Again, citation needed.
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Fooldom Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As for cancer/other diseases, I'd hate to break it to some people, but there are existing cures that didn't involve animal testing or the use of animals. Unforunately, this world runs on greed and people want money. You aren't donating your bucks for cancer research, you're feeding an already wealthy cause.

People who have come up with effective cancer cures have been sent to prison, or in some cases murdered. Hm... I wonder why. For those of you who are curious and have the time to read all of it, here you go:

charlespixleyand714x.blogspot.…

I don't want to argue with anybody about healthcare, so this will be my last post here.
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sulfide Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2013
"but there are existing cures that didn't involve animal testing or the use of animals."
Citation needed.

"People who have come up with effective cancer cures have been sent to prison, or in some cases murdered."  &  "read all of it, here you go"
I did read it all, and I have to say perhaps you should before trying to use that as some sort of credible source. Dr. Royal Rife was never arrested, nor was he murdered. His invention is still being used today, it's just not FDA approved. This is because it's considered a homeopathic cure. You're free to pay someone to wave a magic wand around in the air and sing a magic chant claiming it can cure you (actually, you can't, but just as an example) - point is, that method isn't FDA approved, for good reason. People go through procedures to get "licenses" just so they can have people come lay down on their sofa in their living room while they put healing rocks on their body and claim it cleanses their chakra. You expect our government to approve that as a viable cure? You're off your rocker.

As far as some of the other names listed in the blog, you might want to copy and paste them into Google and see what you get. It's rather quite comical. For instance, quoted from the blog, "Bruce Halstead, MD [...] author of Oxygen Therapies, jailed for 547 days..."   -- if you Google his name, look what comes up: articles.latimes.com/1986-06-2…  Hmm, well no wonder he got thrown in the slammer. He sold his patients a "cure" that was 99.4% water! You call that a cure? He's a fraud. Plain and simple.
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Aneirasilvermoon Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
  PREPARE FOR TEXT WALL OF CHINA

  The FDA approves plenty of things that cause cancer.  The FDA likes money, not your personal well-being.  They want products that continue to bleed the wallets of people dry.  If cancer were cured, the industry would lose money.  Corporation loves the sickly and dying.  They get the most cash from them.  Meditation has healed people of many ailments, but of course our government wants to dismiss it as crazy talk.  They would always claim that self-healing is hocus pocus because they don't get your money.  I do agree that sometimes you do need a little help of some form of medicine, but the best medicine is natural medicine. It doesn't destroy your body. You know what is in it.  

  Where do you think medicine is derived from in the first place? Plants and minerals.  If you can figure out which combination of these works as well as how to treat them you can heal yourself.  It would take an amazing plant to heal genetic mutation, but I suppose something that promoted rapid self-healing could do the trick. 

  I've actually done quite a bit of self-healing.  I have an immune deficiency because I was exposed to toxic waste when I was a baby.  It has left many issues within my body.  I began self-healing with herbal medicine and meditation.  For my entire childhood I was extremely ill. Doctors couldn't help me because they couldn't even figure out all of my issues.  I turned to herbal remedies to live my life healthier.

  I began turning to herbal remedies when I was about 10.  I frequently visited a variety of import, herb, and spice stores.  I researched the properties (weeding out the exaggerated or made up ones) of these plants.  I've found a few fascinating plants in my studies.  It is somewhat known that the lotus cures a sore throat, but most don't know how amazing it truly is.  It not only cures the sore throat, it can even help certain sinus infections and colds to almost vanish.  I have respiratory problems with frequently intense sore throat.

   I once had a sore throat which lasted over 2 weeks.  I was about 13-14 when it happened.  I went to an import store which had boxes of compact loose Thai lotus leaves.  I bought it knowing that lotuses can be helpful.  What happened was completely unexpected. It didn't just sooth my pain. It completely cured my throat pain over night. I woke up the next morning in shock.  I went from feeling like I was swallowing a cactus to feeling amazing. I also noticed that when I drink Lotus I feel a bit more energetic for up to a few days afterward.  I believe that lotus leaves in concentrated tea can actually flush impurities out of the body.

  I am not alone in my quest to share the Lotus.  When friends would have colds or some form of extreme throat issue I would give them a bag of the leaves.  I always tell them to drink it in the evening. It works the best when you're not drinking or eating anything after having it.  They all contacted telling me they had amazing results and wanted more.  On the bright side it is really inexpensive.  The only con is that it tastes AWFUL like a cough syrup almost.

  This is just one of the little discoveries I made. It isn't to the epic proportion of cancer, but I want it to be some day.  I want to cure some of the most problematic illnesses through natural products.  My husband's friend made a much more interesting discovery.  Sadly, I never got the recipe, but in the past he used to have seizures.  They would leave him feeling debilitated for days.  She told him what herbs to mix in portion with the water.  After he drank it he was filled with energy for about 5 hours before the lethargy of the seizure trauma kicked in.  What we want to do is take small solutions like these and expand them to be permanent.

  I have lost some of my dearest friends to cancer.  After losing them I was inspired to heal people in a way that doesn't involve money, pills, or needles.  People who suffer from diseases deserve to be healed without having to spend a ton of cash. Animals also deserve to not be tested on.

  Although this topic will probably be more debatable with you and most people.  I do believe in the power of self-healing.  Eating healthy, exercising, yoga, stretching, meditating, maintaining a positive attitude, and focusing your energy can be quite effective.  The best thing to do is to obviously prevent cancer in the first place.  Of course some issues are genetic/hard to avoid. Prevention is key.  If it cannot be prevented and it happens it can be helped without having to spend a dime.  This is more specifically geared toward early stages of cancer.  Finding out exactly what kind and where it is on the body is important.  Once you know that you're off to a good start.

  Cancer does have many variations, but knowing exactly what it is helps quite a bit.  Provided that the person is taking full care of their health does determine the likelihood of recovery. Waving a wand around like a fool does nothing; However, directing positive energy can help.  This is where the crystals you mentioned come into play.  Different minerals retain different levels of energy.  Different forms of conductivity.  Focusing energy upon these crystals and use them like a little battery of energy can enable the healing to be done easier.  This isn't really specific to any one religion.  It's just a general spiritual practice.  If one can focus their energy on the health of the affected area with enough strength it is possible to make cancer and other ailments go away.  

  It is no secret that some people are too weakened by their illness or too far gone to focus their mind.  In that case, I would recommend seeking some form of help from another individual.  In desperate situations one could definitely go to a doctor; However, what I am saying is that it is possible to avoid a doctor and heal yourself.  Even if you want to dismiss the concept of energy transference which can actually be measured.  You can at least agree that plants and minerals do have a variety of properties which can help us in the long term without having to ruin the lives of thousands of species in order to save our own.
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sulfide Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2014
"The FDA approves plenty of things that cause cancer."
Citation needed.

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The FDA likes money, not your personal well-being. They want products that continue to bleed the wallets of people dry.  If cancer were cured, the industry would lose money.  Corporation loves the sickly and dying.  They get the most cash from them."
Your opinion =/= fact.

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Meditation has healed people of many ailments, but of course our government wants to dismiss it as crazy talk.  They would always claim that self-healing is hocus pocus because they don't get your money."
Not so much as crazy talk, but I think you missed the point of my post where the FDA refuses to approve "meditation" because if you go to get healed by a form of meditation and then die anyways, the family can sue the company that sold the "product" or person performing the meditation ritual.

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but the best medicine is natural medicine."
Debatable. Sometimes medicines must be created in order to cure or stabilize certain things, such as my epilepsy. It's not natural, and I guarantee you don't know what's in it off the top of your head.

Gigantic posts about yours and your friends' own healing experiences doesn't disprove thousands of other peoples' testimonies and the medical journals out there proving that herbal remedies aren't the only thing you need in order to save lives. Refer to sulfide.deviantart.com/art/Nat…sulfide.deviantart.com/art/Mea… for more information about how animal testing is actually required not only to save human lives but also animal lives, as well as natural not being better.

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I do believe in the power of self-healing.  Eating healthy, exercising, yoga, stretching..."
Yes, this is all good... except...

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However, directing positive energy can help.  This is where the crystals you mentioned come into play.  Different minerals retain different levels of energy.  Different forms of conductivity.  Focusing energy upon these crystals and use them like a little battery of energy can enable the healing to be done easier."
Proof? Really, I would love if you could show me a scientific study proving that laying crystals on your body can heal you.
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Aneirasilvermoon Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
What kind of proof are you talking? Proof spoonfed to you by the government and modern "science" which completely fabricated according to national funding (not our wellbeing)?  I never said laying crystals on someone instantly heals them. I said using or manipulating energy can be a form of therapy.  You do realize that there are plenty of mineral deposits that can kill you if you're exposed to them?  Well, under the same concept there are ones which can help.
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sulfide Featured By Owner Edited Oct 19, 2014
"What kind of proof are you talking? Proof spoonfed to you by the government and modern "science" which completely fabricated according to national funding (not our wellbeing)?"
Nice fallacy. Also, nice job completely ignoring my entire post :)

I'm still waiting on your citations!

"I never said laying crystals on someone instantly heals them."
I never said that's what you said. Please reread what was posted. My response to you was this, "I would love if you could show me a scientific study proving that laying crystals on your body can heal you." <- again, still waiting on that scientific study proving that laying crystals on someone's body can enable the healing to be done easier (there, your words, but still you say the crystals are what is healing, so it still makes sense either way).

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You do realize that there are plenty of mineral deposits that can kill you if you're exposed to them?  Well, under the same concept there are ones which can help."
Again, this statement requires proof. I wait with baited breath!
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Aneirasilvermoon Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
I didn't ignore your post. You completely misconstrued what I stated so I pointed out your issue. It depends on what kind of science you believe in.  Some sciences are convenient truths. Some sciences are bullshit.  Some sciences are progressive.  It all really depends on what "facts" you want to agree with and which ones you dismiss, doesn't it? No, I'm not saying the crystals are what is healing the person.  I'm saying that the energy and direction which can be conducted by the crystal is what does it.  I'm guessing you didn't know some rocks are poisonous, some rocks are radioactive?  In the same way, some rocks can be good for your health.  Is salt not a rock?  Is it not a necessity?
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Ziblink Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
But vaccines are evil, also they cause autism. Also they don't work, just like all the other stuff you mention. Let's all go back to natural medicine and gnaw tree bark, it cures everything!
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
SOMEONE TOOK THIS SERIOUSLY :rofl: 
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Ziblink Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
When comments on the internet catch your eye,
You don't know whether to laugh or cry,
For what you call false they think is true,
And you know they'll never listen to you.

They argue left, they argue right,
They flame and lie and lurk and fight,
They do not care for what you say,
The truth will only block their way.
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Beautiful my fellow bone collector. Simply beautiful 
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TheDisgusticifiedOne Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist

While indeed some animal "experiments" are just torturous wastes of resources that seem to be the mental offspring of Josef Mengele, and should be abolished,  always loathed those who say that all tests performed on animals are to be aboloshed. I've also hated those who think that pouring bleach into a rabbit's eye will actually find the cure for any sort of cancer. Are they really so stupid that they can't tell the difference between pointless torture and significant progess?

Vivisection on animals should not completely be abolished, even though some of it should be.

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TheCharleyJay Featured By Owner May 11, 2013
Animal testing ain't pretty. It's rough, grim, and not for the faint of heart. This being said, it is sadly necessary. I wish as little suffering upon the subjects as possible, though that's probably not possible in the first place. Touchy subject.
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Wolfangkun Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Yes it may be necessary, but are there not other options than animals for testing?

What about those convicted on death row?
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Okay, this gets brought up a lot so I'm going to address it. The criminal testing suggestion is not a matter of ethics, it's a matter of efficiency. Humans live a really long time compared to other animals such as rats, the longer we live the more factors play into our health status, these factors make it hard to determine what effects the individual and what effects the species, furthermore we're not talking about hundreds, thousands or even millions needed for animal testing, the amount of guess work that goes into animal testing is staggering. So, we need something of mammalian decent, that doesn't live long, breeds in mass quantities, and can be monitored in a controlled environment for its whole life. And that dear commenter is why we can't use criminals
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Wolfangkun Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Very intersting point but wouldn't those many factors going into human health aid in the research as well? 
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
But it would take way too long to determine which factors affect which person or whether they affect one individual or multiple people, Right there you've already blown through over 1000 people 
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Wolfangkun Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013  Student Traditional Artist

On the shallow side 1000 gone death row prisoners does not sound too bad.

But I do see your point tell me your thoughts morally though about animal testing

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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
For starters I do not and never will condone animal testing for cosmetic purposes, and to be honest I wouldn't mind if a few prisoners had to get prettied up for science. That said  I feel that many tests for medical reasons are unnecessarily cruel to animals, and that the animals deserve more respect and care in these facilities, not only for the animal's sake but for the sake of testing as well. Additional stress and depression could lead to an error in the results, and unfortunately, the answer to that is more testing. While I do support animal testing I accept it as an unfortunate necessity, if we were able to create an alternative to animal testing that was both cheap and efficient I would  without hesitation turn on animal testing, sadly we have yet to progress to such a point. 
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Taryn673 Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You took the words right out of my mouth~
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Lulzbian Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
My god...the phrasing here...it's wonderful.
Thank you for this tag
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MugoUrth Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013
Do you know of any cases where testing on animals can also help other animals?
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Kuwaizair Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
rabies maybe?
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AkaiChounokoe Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
THANK YOU! The entire point I I was gonna say, well done. :clap:
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Lets start with the entire veterinary field and work our way up
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MugoUrth Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
What about bats?
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
If this is about your OWN stamp I suggest you do your OWN research, I'm focusing on animal testing and the medical advancements it makes. Not about bat nose fungus. That's your thing so why not keep it to your own stamps instead of dragging them into mine?
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MugoUrth Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
It's not about "my stamp," I'm just asking if there would be a need for testing in order to cure WNS. Cause I cannot see how there wouldn't be unless we gather a bunch of teams to eradicate the source of WNS from caves, but that would take a LOT of volunteers in a LOT of locations. I'd help, though.

As for what I've researched. So far I haven't seen note of any possible cure. I've heard a few tips to stop it from spreading any further than it has, but that's about it.
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Kuwaizair Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
we can always use the kids who kill. next time a 14 year old murders a 3 year old, let's fungus them up to save our bats.
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Werebereus Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
OH MY GOSH, NOT THE POOR HUMANZ.
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Yes because animal testing results are exclusive to humans.
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