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It seems vegans know everything about everyone's diet but their own. 

There's a lot of reasons to go vegan, amung them is that the meat industry is apparently causing starvation in other countries. And while that is a good reason to take action, going vegan is a VERY bad way to do it. Why? Because every day thousands of migrant workers, children, and yes, animals, are put through slave labor to toil in the hot sun to grow food they can't afford to eat. Why you ask can't they afford it? Because demand for vegtables is so high that the supply for it has gone up and is no longer affordable for much of the world, including people in the united states. 

"Burt da fruits n veggies r so cheeper than meat" 

No. Fruits and vegtables are cheaper than high quality meats and only in small doses that cannot sustain a modern family for a day the same way meat could. That's right folks, Veganism is actually causing more hunger than helping it

Veganism is hurting more people world wide than the EBUL meat industry and yet they still have the gall to call meat murder. 

Who are the real murderers

Sources/ Further reading:

www.theguardian.com/business/2…

www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-…

articles.economictimes.indiati…

abcnews.go.com/Health/Diet/sto…
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RoaringFox Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I have a vegan friend, but she's not a crazy rabid vegan (Or she wouldn't be my friend x'D ) 
Once we were all eating at Burger King and she was the only one with a salad, but I didn't hear a single comment as my friends and I ate our burgers like animals huahahahah

I'd totally use this stamp, but no premium membership OTL
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Pixlett Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2014
I don't eat meat because...  Yknow... Lesbian.
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
I thought lesbians ate clams.
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Pixlett Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2014
I personally don't.
Not going to risk tasting bad ;n;  But I crave it all the time
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puffugu Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2014  Student General Artist
that's ignorant to say about all vegans. my best friends and even my cousins eat meat, but I NEVER tell them to not eat it. :/
and factory farming is causing more hunger than "FAST EFFISHENT HELTHY FUD IN BURGERZ111"
it is not healthier to eat a burger than have a nice dish of chickpea curry.
factory farms require more food than they produce, leaving more starving people.
even the UN said it.
have you ever tried GOING on a vegetarian/vegan diet? you'll understand how much cheaper it is.
Just see makeitpossible.com , the front page video which even talks about the issue about using more than providing.
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Most of my stamps go out to abolitionist vegans. Which I think we can both agree, are psychotic. 

Second, this has already been debunked. comments.deviantart.com/1/3231…

Third. Yes. I have. I spent twice as much on food that in the long run didn't keep me satisfied. Leading me to buy more food. Do you not understand that this food actually has to come from somewhere? That it's grown? That it depends on seasons and weather? All of this factors into the price. It may seem cheaper, but really three apples only lasts you one day, that's a dollar-fifty that could have been put to frozen chicken that would last a week. 
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puffugu Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014  Student General Artist
YES. I hate rabid veg*ans.

Yeah, but same goes for uncooked pasta and vegetables to season it, cheap and sustaining for a long time.
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
I do too, but I understand what they're trying to do. They're trying to find a solution to a problem that is much deeper than they realize. All good intentions have a bad outcome I suppose. 

Except you need to buy the seasoning and the vegetables, that's like two extra dollars put to one meal opposed to one meal for a dollar that sustains you for a long time. 
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puffugu Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014  Student General Artist
Yeah, true,

Yeah, but seasoning also sustains for a long time, and chicken would have seasoning too...
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
But chicken doesn't need seasoning to be palatable. Seasoning Lasts for a long time but it doesn't make the food itself last any longer in your system. 
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puffugu Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014  Student General Artist
Well, neither does stew! And pasta is fine even without seasoning at times.
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Stew isn't very sustaining without some kind of meat. And yeah, some pastas are fine without seasoning, but you can't live your whole life on unseasoned pasta just because you work minimum wage. It's much easier just to eat meat that's mass produced even if it's bad for you or low quality meat. 
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DarthT15 Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014
No matter what "Research" they pull from their asses, I'm not giving up my meat.
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Pencilartguy Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2014
Holy crap! How bad have things gotten when you can't even afford to eat the food you grow?
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TRP-SLS-ScifiAndArt Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2014
To be honest, I would eat clean, fresh farm meat if those exist. But, most meat is processed and preserved and into the stores. :( (Sad) And with the way some animals are treated, diseases tend to spring and I don't want that to happen to me. Food Ink mentioned about it. However, they weren't going, "VEGAN ISH THE ONLEH WEAY!!!!1" Mainly, poach meat in a humane, clean fashion was the message. Before someone mentions vegetables, my family NEVER buys pre-cut veggies in the frozen aisle. When at the market, we always pick fresh ones, wash them at home (I just wish the same could be done with meats too) then cut them for cooking. Good Vegans would only change how animals are living in the industry conditions to make it clean and humane. Only the bad eggs are going, "EUTIN' MEET ISH BAD!!!!!!1111"
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Limnoria Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2014
I hate it when vegans go morally superior on everyone else.   This was appreciated and useful. :)
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Xylothor Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I do believe everyone is unique and some diets don't work for them and some do, and I don't care wither you're vegan or not, its just your thing if you love meat (I can't let go of meat compleatly XD) or don't love meat. Can't we just agree to disagree on diets instead of insulting the people who are vegans?!
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
You can expect it to stop when Vegans abolitionists stop insulting everyone for eating meat
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Xylothor Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
When did I insult anyone for eating meat?!
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
You just said you're not vegan, and I doubt you're a vegan abolitionist, so I don't really understand where you're trying to go with this 
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Xylothor Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Ok, I understand you're confused. Let me clarify.
My family is based on a vegan diet, I myself eat meat on occasion but my main diet is vegetable based meals and beans and fruit, you get my point.
I consider myself flexible. I don't strictly eat vegetables, nor does most of my family.
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Do you know what an abolitionist is? Because really, this goes out to them. 
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Xylothor Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, I understand. Calm down.
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Xylothor Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Just saying, there is a lot of good reasons to be a vegan, I may not know them all, but all I don't understand is why you are totally against it just for these few reasons.
And why do you believe we know everything about other diets? I myself am just trying to learn about them.

(I believe that a lot of meat industries are very abusive to their animals and the quality of their meat is not-so-good and cause stuff like cancer and diabetes and a bunch of other stuff)

(Please don't get mad at this comment, I really don't mean any harm. I'm not totally vegan myself)
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
1. I'm not totally against being vegan, I'm against being an asshole about being vegan 

2. I never said we know everything about our diets, but the things that we do know are generally accepted and are not swept under the rug as if they never happen at all 

3. Yes, the meat industry is abusive to their animals. But I'm not about to throw my hands in the air and scream for animals to have equal rights to humans just because they're treated badly. That's why we have animal welfare.
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Xylothor Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Did not get that. Thank you for clarifying that.

"It seems vegans know everything about everyone's diet but their own." Really?
I do agree with the second part of that statement though.

I didn't mention equal rights for animals (is that a thing?), I do believe though that it could be prevented by eating less meat, and making it less of a profit for the companies that do and make it less of a popular trade of work for people to profit in.
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everyday-im-wumboing Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2013
vegans aren't all like that.
my family only buys fairtrade vegetables.
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Good for you, can you count the number of fucks I give for what one person does? 
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puffugu Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2014  Student General Artist
one person, huh? you need to actually try being friends with veg*ans, most are not rabid like what they are stereotyped as. -.-
all i get is hate for being veg*an when i do not say ANYTHING against eating meat. i only do when people insult MY morals.
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DreamsphereINC Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2014  Student General Artist
You just stated your point about how slaves can't even afford the food they cultivate.


Though, as soon as someone states what they do/what can be done about that, you don't give a shit?
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
No, as a matter of fact I don't give a shit about what one person out of six billion does and frankly I don't think everyone in the world, especially not homeless people can afford to buy from farmers markets or locally grown food, which means it does nothing for the greater good other than giving someone a reason to stroke their ego
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everyday-im-wumboing Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2013
well, im just saying.
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Young-stoaty-chap Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Most vegans are, I believe, visi-vegans. People who only eat animal products when nobody is looking. It is estimated that 50-90% of all vegans are visi-vegans, as it is a fact that by far the most common reason people go vegan is so they can preach, bother and annoy people. Vegetarians are often more rational and intellgent, and are not simply looking to impress people.
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Kelsey-Kat Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2013
This pretty much destroys your arguments;

-According to the United Nations: "The livestock sector is... the largest sectoral source of water pollution, contributing to eutrophication, 'dead' zones in coastal areas, degradation of coral reefs, human health problems, emergence of antibiotic resistance and many others."

-It takes 2,400 gallons of water to produce one pound of meat and only 25 gallons to produce one pound of wheat. If you passed on that juicy filet mignon steak, you would save more water than if you didn’t shower for six months.
-According to a United Nations report, 18% of all Greenhouse gas emissions on earth come from the meat industry. Surprisingly that is 40% more than all the planes, trains, cars and ships in the world combined.
-Almost 6 million acres of the Amazon rainforest are destroyed on a yearly basis solely for grazing cattle and growing soybeans for animal feed.
-It takes more than 11 times as much fossil fuel to make one calorie of animal protein as it does to make one calorie of plant protein.
-Grain and corn raised for livestock feed that could otherwise feed people, according to the UN: 836 million tons per year. [That] is much more than enough to adequately feed the 1.4 billion humans who are living in dire poverty, and the number doesn't even include the fact that almost all of the global soy crop (about 240 million tons of soy) is also fed to chickens, pigs, and other farmed animals.
-According to the UN: "Indeed, the livestock sector may well be the leading player in the reduction of biodiversity..." And "livestock now account for about 20 percent of the total terrestrial animal biomass, and the 30 percent of the earth's land surface that they now pre-empt was once habitat for wildlife."
-United Nations scientists, in their 408-page indictment of the meat industry, sum up these statistics, pointing out that the meat industry is "one of the ... most significant contributors to the most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global," including "problems of land degradation, climate change and air pollution, water shortage and water pollution, and loss of biodiversity."
-Sources; www.alternet.org/story/137737/…
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RauchundSchall Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
This argument seems to have ended some time ago, and you got a lot of shit in this argument. I just wanted to say that I REALLY don't get why these people do not understand that producing meat indeed costs much more water and energy and also produces much more emissions. I mean it's logical isn't it? If you want to eat a beef steak you first have to produce food for the cow which is made of - surprise! - PLANTS which you COULD use to feed people right away, but no you want steak so you feed and water the cow which also produces a lot of methane and a lot of feces through its life and polutes the soil and the air.

I had to write an essay an do a presentation for geography class on the impact of the meat industry on the enviroment so I did a lot of research (no not only on wikipedia) and you don't really have to go in it that deep to see that producing meat needs more space, ressources and energy than producing plants. They could even simply look at a food chain but no...

Sorry for bragging about some argument that ended some months ago I just wanted to add my two cents and tell you that you're not the only one who found these facts on their research :)
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Kelsey-Kat Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2014
Yay, that's awesome. I guess some people just have trouble accepting facts that conflict with their world view.
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jgraham1993 Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013
ok so raising livestock is evil got it, but what about hunted meat?
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Kelsey-Kat Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013
Never said it was evil.

And hunting meat cannot feed everybody in the world without making most of our common species extinct; it isn't a viable option.
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jgraham1993 Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2013

where are the statistics for that? Would we truly cause other species to go extinct? or is that that just your opinion? where are the facts?

 

 

the fact is, there are many carnivores and omnivores besides humans, have any of them caused an extinction?

 

in addition, most carnivorous animals don't eat the entire animal, they eat what they can and leave the rest for the insects. humans on the other hand store their the meat and can feed off the meat from an animal for a long time.

 

a single 75 pound deer can feed one human for about a month(this I know for a fact, I live with hunters)

 

but deer are not the only animal to eat, a single rabbit can last a week as well as a pheasant.

a moose for a single person could give you enough food for 1 year

 

now lets look at something else a moose can give birth in 8 months and they can give birth to 2 baby mooses.

 

my point being, we would not cause another species to go extinct by eating them, on the contrary avoiding eating other animals would cause their populations to become stagnant(take differential equations/calc based zoology)

 

I agree farming large populations of animals can be bad for the environment, but I think that if hunting was more common extinctions would occur less, because a lot of extinctions actually happen because of land cleared for farming, not from hunting.

the only case of hunting causing an extinction would the Dodo bird, but that was only because we invaded the ecosystem there. humans are just as much a part of the ecosystem in America and Europe as wolves, bears and foxes, so hunting would not cause problems.

 

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Kelsey-Kat Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2013
"Though meat consumption in the U.S. has dropped off slightly in recent years, at 270.7 pounds per person a year, we still eat more meat per person here than in almost any other country on the planet." 313.9 million people live in the USA. 313.9 million x 270.7 pounds = 84.9 billion pounds of meat per year. www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012…

The most commonly hunted animal in the USA is the deer and the rabbit. There are 25 million deer and 350 million rabbits. The average deer yields 50 pounds of meat. The average rabbit yields 4 pounds of meat. (25 million x 50 lbs) + (350 million x 4 lbs) = 1250 + 1400 = 2.6 billion pounds.


So, if we eat 84.9 billion lbs, but hunting only produces 2.6 billion lbs, how can we fed everybody with it without causing an extinction?
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jgraham1993 Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2013

actually the most commonly hunted animal in America are fish.

 

we call it fishing, but technically its a form of hunting, using a trap.

 

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hollyholden Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
pescetarianism. simple.
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Kelsey-Kat Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2013
Replacing all of our meat consumption with hunted fish would result in all of us getting severe mercury poisoning.
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jgraham1993 Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2013

you can't get mercury poison from eating it. :stupid: revamp 

 

now two questions

•have you actually heard of someone receiving mercury poisoning from eating fish?

•do you know what mercury poisoning does to your body?

 

I already know what general effects mercury has on the human body, bio-chem was only a semester ago.

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sulfide Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2013
Wow! Déjà vu! Haven't you copied and pasted this like... 5 times now? comments.deviantart.com/1/3231…
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Kelsey-Kat Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2013
Yep. Seeing as I don't like refinding sources and rewriting arguments and whatnot, I keep a list of them and copy paste when fitting.
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sulfide Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2013
Oh! I'm the same way! Except I make sure my sources aren't made of complete and utter bullshit! Better check that link where I completely debunked your garbage of an article!
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Wow, a copy and pasted argument from a totally unbiased source. You sure have me stumped 
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Kelsey-Kat Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2013
I'm sorry, the UN is a biased source now? And what part of my argument is wrong again?
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fenrirhound Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticis… yes. Yes they are.

As for the rest, I'll leave it to Sulfide to to once again prove that you eat shit for breakfast lunch and dinner as you're not really worth my time. 
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